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Tyler Seacrest's avatar

Answer 1: the zombies are just wrong about having phenomenal consciousness, so the meta-zombies which zombies imagine to be different are actually identical to the zombies. They're logic was correct, but they started from an incorrect premise ("we have phenomenal consciousness"), so no wonder their conclusion of some sort of dualism is incorrect.

Answer 2: actually, there still is something that the zombies are referring to when they say "meta zombies lack *this*", an attempt to gesture at their own version of phenomenal consciousness -- perhaps a virtual phenomenal consciousness or some sort of illusion. Then the premise "we have *this*" is correct. However, when they go to imagine meta-zombies, they are making a logical mistake: the physical duplication requirement implies meta-zombies still have the *this*, contradicting the requirement that they lack the *this*.

In answer 1, humans are different but zombies=meta-zombies. In answer 2, this leaves the possibility that actually humans = zombies = meta-zombies. I think a good metaphysical principle is "humility", which states that a metaphysical reasoner should, all else being equal, assume they are not special or unique in anyway. For example, we shouldn't assume the universe revolves around us, we should assume we're just in some random corner of the universe. Such a principle does support the physicalist answer of answer 2. But there is more to say on this I think.

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Mike Smith's avatar

Interesting question. It seems like if philosophical zombies are possible, then meta-zombies (zombies postulating zombies if I'm understanding correctly) have to be possible. A zombie is supposed to be, at a minimum, behaviorally indistinguishable from a conscious entity, including scenarios where some will pseudo-think (nice phrase) they're conscious but that there would be a type of being that behaved like them without being conscious.

Of course, zombies are only possible if we presuppose epiphenomenal dualism, which of course is what the argument sets out to demonstrate. So it doesn't seem like we should be surprised by this aspect.

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